Torture - Not A Report - Will Harm America
The Senate Intelligence Committee finally released a report on the CIA’s interrogation policies during the “War on Terror”. It always amazed me how quickly American exceptionalism disappeared from war supporters’ vocabulary when confronted with evidence of war crimes committed by Americans. All that talk about Saddam’s torture chambers and human rights just went away. Many attempted to justify it. Some people just accepted it and moved on. Others decided to reclassify it. Others just ignored it.

A while ago I started writing a response to an artical on the debate about releasing the report. I never finished it, but I want to go back to the article because it touches a lot arguments that are easily rebutted.
Security concerns are complicating the release of a controversial report on “enhanced interrogations techniques,” with officials fearing the document could inflame the Arab Street and put Americans in danger.
Notice that torture supporters are acknowledging that torture is counterproductive and puts Americans at risk.
Two of the Republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee cited security concerns when voting against the declassification of the report.
War opponents were often ridiculed for pointing out that the Iraq War would anger the world, possibly leading people to support our enemies, dropping our standing in the world, and making it harder for us to win the war of ideas against extremist Islam. Now this same argument is being used by the other side. Acting against our stated values hurts our position in the world. Being overly violent defending our interests hurts our position in the world.

Let’s be clear about something. It’s not the declassification of a report that will cause anger, it’s the criminal activity. The United States committed war crimes and no one is facing a penalty. That angers me and it was done ostensibly to protect me. Stop blaming the Senate Intelligence Committe or Chelsea Manning or Edward Snowden for exposing crimes by members of our government. It is the criminals who deserve the blame and scorn.
Former Bush and CIA officials say the classified program was legal and provided critical information that helped thwart attacks and capture al Qaeda leaders.

Senate Democrats say their investigation found that the harsh interrogation methods did not succeed in extracting useful intelligence.
There is plenty of evidence that torture does not help intelligence gathering. Plenty of people think otherwise. My opinion is consistent with the former. We can’t evaluate it in this case unless we know the details. We shouldn’t take the word of “former Bush and CIA officials” nor “Senate Democrats”. The Senate report is not the final word on the efficacy of torture, but it broadens our understanding of what was done and therefore improves the state of the debate.

In fact, because it brings us closer to implementing better policy, it literally makes us a stronger country. Governments that are held accountable for their policies (e.g. democracies) are historically better governments than those that aren't. The only way to hold governments accountable is public oversight. Whatever our enemies will gain from this report in the form of propaganda we will gain more so in the form of information on how best to protect our country.

Obama banned the interrogation techniques via executive order after taking office, and Attorney General Eric Holder said there would not be a criminal investigation into the program.

But calls for criminal prosecutions could flare up on the left once the interrogations report is released.
Banning the techniques was a step up from the Bush administration authorizing it, but by not prosecuting those responsible Obama essentially legitimized it. Torture was, in fact, illegal at the time. Simply saying “we won’t do it again” is not a valid response to a crime. There aren’t going to be any prosecutions, but the report would be a smashing success if it lead to some. People calling it "political" are ignoring the problem.
The dispute marked a low point in the relationship between the agency and the Intelligence panel.
Good! Congress should be asking tough, uncomfortable questions. They don’t need to be friends with the CIA.
“The agency is ferociously angry at those who have tried to depict their efforts as immoral and unpatriotic,” Gerecht said. “It believes it conducted itself lawfully and got approval from the executive branch and Congress, and Democrats in Congress are trying to change the rules.”
It doesn't matter if it got it from the executive branch or congress, it's illegal. The rules have always been “no torture”.
Gerecht [an advocate for these torture techniques] said the CIA has nothing to fear from the summary being made public.

“If you can’t stand discussing something in the light of day, then you probably shouldn’t be doing it in the first place,” he said.
On this at least a torture advocate is correct.
Jeff,

Well done and while I stand with you on a lot of what you say above and agree that the crime of torture should be the focus...I am very disturbed at the politics ( again) of the timing of the release and the obligatory and hypocritical hand ringing. I am equally saddened that this political decision bodes ill for the prospects for any civil political discourse in the near future.

Another few years of these bubble heads in DC refusing to take their jobs as "representatives" seriously is a really depressing thought.

By the way, Merry Christmas to you and your whole, great family



Posted at 12/11/2014 3:43:34 PM by geoff deasey


 
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